Saturday, November 6, 2010

11/5/10 - Money Talks. Silver Walks!

Out of the land of the constant rain they came. A moon tan on their backs, and detectors to the sand......
Ninja's are seeking. While you are sleeping. Oh, master Ninja. Silver Yen, Silver American.
Oh Master Ninja, Easements, silver walking.....



11/5/10 - Money Talks and Silver Walks. Team Moon Tan Hunt video.

Worded version below.




Noah and I came up with a new idea on where to find goodies last night. However. The only way to do it. Is extreme Moon Tanning. We hunt in an Urban Area. And, if you wanna hear that old money talk. You need to be able to hear. So, we set out late after traffic was minimal. Foot traffic was still high as it was a Friday night. So, naturally we got a few drunken college loud mouths here and there. Making dumb ignorant comments. However, it was mostly positive. Lots of questions by passers by. "Do you really find treasures with those"? If treasure is what they wanna call it. Then, yeah! We do. And we have not been at this hobby very long. Anyway. Last night. As I was saying. We discovered a new improved method of how we hunt. And we put it to the test. And it did not take long before it paid off. The first find of the night was a small gold pin with a Norman Cross on it. This little pin is a Sigma Chi Fraternity pledge pin. I would not have known that much about it. So, thanks to youtube user Forkemdvls for the comment on what it was. I almost passed on digging it. The signal was weird, choppy and only making little nulled beeps. Bouncing low, to near a zinc cent. Since I was sweeping an area that was totally void of other targets. I assumed it was junk. And since I was not digging anything. I said what the hell. And I saw the yellow down in the hole.
As we pressed on. Holly was next to get a interesting target. She found a 2002 50 Euro Cent from Germany. While its not old. Her and I both love to find foreign coins. And so far this year, we have found lots of interesting foreign coins. Some British. A few old pre decimal Irish. A silver Netherlands, A silver franc, Australian 2 cent and plenty of Canadian. Noah, found a flat silver (railroad track coin maybe?) Canadian coin from the late 1800's. And just the other night. A cool South African Coin. They are just cool to find. Because they are different. First silver of the night was a Silver 1956 Rosie dime. This coin was a bit tricky as it was literally on edge. Yet, I managed to get it to chirp in as silver as I rotated my sweep around the target. Yet, it was not saying much. During the day. This target would have easily been missed. And since it was in an area I know for a fact has been hit several times pretty hard during the day when traffic is buzzing. It was most likely missed. Not my favorite coin. I don't like presidential coins. Especially the Rosie, and the Ike dollars. But, I will take a silver Rosie dime any day.
Once we reached the area we wanted to hunt. Almost instantly old coins started popping up. As I dug a wheat cent i noticed Noah and Matt huddled together. I said to Holly, hes got a good target. Lets go. So, we moved down the block a bit to step in just as Noah popped a plug with a HUGE silver laying perfectly flat deep in the ground. It looked like a 1941 Walking Liberty. Camera rolling. We popped it out. And, it was!

1941s Walking Liberty Half Dollar- Cleaned.


The excitement of this find had the whole group fired up. We had to take a break to calm down. So, we ended up going to get something to eat. Looked at our finds. Talked detecting. And about how the new method of detecting seemed to be working. So after munching down some cheap tacos and cane sugar Mexican cokes. We hit it for another 30 minutes. And literally. Right out the door where Noah and Matt parked. Noah found a 1942 Mercury Dime within 10 minutes.After that Noah and Matt called it a night. And ended up taking off. Holly and I hunted for a few more mintues. Trying to fight the urge to fall asleep. Someone approached us. And asked us all about Metal Detecting. So, we ended up having a long chinwack about it. Sharing stories of finds. And that anyone can do what we do. If you have some patience. I took a few last swings. Digging up plenty of clad and some other crap. Targets all over. Too tired to dig em up. Even if they were Silver. I finally called it. I knew I could return at anytime. So, Holly and I headed home. Thanks for stopping by. And remember. If we can find it. SO CAN YOU! Questions, Comments or hunting tips ext. Write directly to us. Or subscribe to the site. HH- IDH team.


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UPDATE: 1840's - ???? Spoon?

I dig this spoon a month ago. And I can't remember where! See. For some reason. My brain does not quite grasp onto things right away. So I didn't see a relic. I saw. Scrap copper. Today. I was thinking about this odd spoon. And realized. Wait a second. When have I ever seen a copper spoon? NEVER! UNLESS! Its an old plated spoon thats been in the ground a LONG time. Well. Turns out. I was right. I knew it was old. But i did not realize the Rogers Nickel Silver spoons began in the 1840's. The spoon reads. ROGERS NICKEL SILVER just under and behind the spoons head.
From what I understand. They had a hard time perfecting the electro plating process back then. Using a Nickel, zinc and copper alloy. Rogers Bros. became part of the Meriden Britannia company. The Meriden Britannia company absorbed dozens of other silverware makers in the area and expanded its operation overseas, after which it became known as the International Silver Company. International Silver may have used the 1847 Rogers mark as early as 1852. The successor to the International Silver Company is still in business and uses the 1847 trademark to this day.
So. How old is this spoon. Take a good look at it. If it was silver plated. Someone did a poor job. I found an 1879 spoon this year. That still had 90% of its silver plating left. This Rogers Spoon has ZERO. Instead. It actually has a nice old copper patina to it. Its surprisingly flexible. As if it was pure copper. Or. The mixture of metals. Especially the zinc has long since decayed back into the soil. As zinc is a strong metal. And hard to bend even in thin strips. It is weak when it comes to acidic soil. So. I dunno. This relic is definitely old. How old....is anybody's guess. These are the real fun finds. As you have to really work hard to unlock its mystery. And date of birth and origin. Where as. Coins. Have it written right on them. Dont get me wrong. I LOVE coins. But I absolutely love relics and personal objects as simple as this ugly. Brown spoon. Unlocking their history is what makes them interesting and fun. Soooo. ANY IDEAS ON THIS SPOON? GOT AN ANSWER OR LEAD? PLEASE COMMENT!
Here is a picture of the name stamp in macro. Who knows. Something as simple as a variation of the stamp. Could tell a great deal.



THE LIPSTICK CONTAINER


Another interesting find. Was this amazing lipstick container found DEEP in the ground in the oldest part of town. We have never been able to ID it. In fact. the patina was so green and thick. We had to clean it up a bit. But not over clean it. We wanted to leave the rustic look to it. Once we removed the thick green layer. The engraving became visible. Very neat find! However. Its gone unnamed company wise. As, we can not read the writing on the bottom. And have no way to date it. Ideas?

3 comments:

  1. Urban Archeaology,

    Thanks for reading and commenting on my blog.

    http://silverandsilverplate.blogspot.com/

    Sorry it took me so long to respond. Your item was made by a silver plate company but is not plated it is a unique alloy created by the company and was sold as a lower grade item that skipped the plating process. I looked at the pictures you posted and it just seems to have oxidized a bit in the soil. The pattern you have is a fairly common one that was made by many many makers and usually does not have a special name. It is called in almost all cases "plain" This pattern is so common that it is still produced today for stainless flatware. In most cases the pattern would help in dating but this one does not. This spoon could have been made anytime between 1830 and the start of WWII. Metal shortages would prevented it being made during the war and then stainless would have become more common as a material. In all likelihood this spoon was made between 1900 and 1930 like you guessed. Below is a post about nickel silver I wrote some time ago.

    http://silverandsilverplate.blogspot.com/2010/04/nickel-silver-german-silver-alpacca.html

    I hope this helps.

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  2. WOW! Awesome information! Thanks! Oddly. I had just noticed last night, the spoon is not copper at all. It has a tiny knick on the side and the metal underneath is silver toned. Its patina is very interesting. And I love it. To bad its so common. Would be easier to narrow it down. But, no worries. What you said makes perfect sense.
    I will check out your blog post on nickel silver so I can learn a few things about it. Also. I have found a couple silver items. Both of which with out doubt have silver content. One I found out is 50% silver. And has pitting in it. Like you would find on copper coins that sat in a lawn that was heavily fertilized. Or, mixed with a metal that well, pits due to acidic soil. Any tips on that would be great.
    Thanks!!
    -Ryan

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  3. Ryan,

    If we can figure out a way to send or post pictures I would be more than happy to take a look at them. Silver is such a soft metal that in its pure form it is very delicate. I think this accounts for why coins wear down (though I know little or nothing about coins) However, when silver needs strength for example in spoons or holloware, they are made from sterling (or earlier coin). With sterling another metal is introduced to provide tis strength. Often this is copper that can over time could "dissolve" leaving pits. Or something like that, just guessing at this point.

    The cool thing about your spoon is that even though the pattern is common finding one with that metal is becoming more and more uncommon. Spoons like these had a tendency to oxidize, were damaged by acidic foods, and were considered cheap and replaceable in their day. Because they are not "valuable" they were not preserved and I do not think that many survived. I often find them with the tips of the spoons worn from cooking wear and/or melting on a hot stove top. Using them to scrape the last bit of food out of a pot would wear them down.

    R.E. Davis

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